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after this morning's vote on the fiscal cliff, outgoing texas senator kay bailey hutchison tweeted this at 2:43 a.m. i just cast my last vote in the u.s. senate. it has been an honor to serve in the greatest nation on theers. >>> the term fiscal cliff, i tried getting it banned, is at the top of the 38th annual list of words to be banished by lake superior state university. others on the list of unliked words? double down. plus spoiler alert. trending and guru. and a new petition has been started on the white house website calling for an end to stupid petitions. it says, white house petitions are being gamed to the point of absurdity and maybe it's time for the petition to end all petitions. meaning this one. and that's your morning dish of "scrambled politics." >>> let me get you out the door or sit on your couch to enjoy your plans for later in the day. i know last night it was freezing cold in the northern plains. painfully cold in areas like fargo, indianapolis. a lot of people probably decided to stay indoors. it's going to be that way all day. look at kansas city, denver, chicago.
after this morning's vote on the fiscal cliff, outgoing texas senator kay bailey hutchison tweeted this at 2:43 a.m. i just cast my last vote in the u.s. senate. it has been an honor to serve in the greatest nation on theers. >>> the term fiscal cliff, i tried getting it banned, is at the top of the 38th annual list of words to be banished by lake superior state university. others on the list of unliked words? double down. plus spoiler alert. trending and guru. and a new petition has...
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the fiscal cliff deal passed by the senate? will hard line conservatives make it sxwobl in back now is reid wilson and ryan grim. thank you for coming back. >> hey. >> thanks for having us. >> do you think this bill will pass the houshgs and if not will democrats preferred to make further concessions? >> i think it will pass the house eventually. this is one of those moments, though, when i think speed is probably on the side of -- or, rather, it would benefit those who want to pass this bill. the faster you're able to get something to the floor and get it through a vote, the more likely you are to attract these conservatives and liberals, by the way, who might otherwise find a reason to vote against it. if the longer they take their time to sort of talk it through and go through the bill's details moment by moment, the more you'll get pressure from the outside and pressure from groups like everybody from the progressive campaign committee on the left to the heritage action and for growth on the right. the outside influences wi
the fiscal cliff deal passed by the senate? will hard line conservatives make it sxwobl in back now is reid wilson and ryan grim. thank you for coming back. >> hey. >> thanks for having us. >> do you think this bill will pass the houshgs and if not will democrats preferred to make further concessions? >> i think it will pass the house eventually. this is one of those moments, though, when i think speed is probably on the side of -- or, rather, it would benefit those who...
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we have to try to avoid the biggest dive that we could take off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans are blaming democrats. you've heard the line, washington doesn't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. i want to play this from senator john thune and get your reaction. >> even if the president got everything he wanted, it generates -- next year alone, so the question is, what do we do for the other 358 days of the year? we have to do something on the spending side of the equation. >> if we look at just the spending -- what cuts would you support? >> the president has put forward and agreed to speaker boehner -- in meeting the republicans more than halfway, he's agreed to a dollar in revenue to a dollar in spending cuts. i mean, hundreds of billions in spending cuts, we voted for a trillion in spending cuts, richard, last summer with no revenue at all when we agreed to the debt ceiling deal that triggered this fiscal cliff fiasco. so we have put hundreds of billions, and we're willing to put more than a trillion in spending cuts. the republicans are still really leaving the
we have to try to avoid the biggest dive that we could take off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans are blaming democrats. you've heard the line, washington doesn't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. i want to play this from senator john thune and get your reaction. >> even if the president got everything he wanted, it generates -- next year alone, so the question is, what do we do for the other 358 days of the year? we have to do something on the spending side of the...
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with just hours yet to go, congress has yet to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. the senate does reconvene at 11:00 a.m. this morn, monday. i'm veronica delacruz, let's get you back to the program. >>> take a ride on any prostitution track in any big city in america and you'll see waves of young women trading their bodies for quick cash. but what you don't see is the pain and despair burning inside many of these girls who are often coping with the fallout from child sexual abuse. >> i was sexually abused four times by the time i was 10. >> like many of the women and young girls forced to strip or perform sex acts for money, raleigh was a good kid whose innocent childhood was suddenly cut short by sexual abuse. >> if it's continuously happening to you like it was to me, you start to feel like what are you good for, what are you here for? i sometimes used to ask myself in the mirror, why am i here? >> she started ditching school. her grades sunk. >> raleigh's mother, jean, reached her wit's end as she watched her daughter's young life go off the rails in high school
with just hours yet to go, congress has yet to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. the senate does reconvene at 11:00 a.m. this morn, monday. i'm veronica delacruz, let's get you back to the program. >>> take a ride on any prostitution track in any big city in america and you'll see waves of young women trading their bodies for quick cash. but what you don't see is the pain and despair burning inside many of these girls who are often coping with the fallout from child sexual abuse....
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we expect them to take up that new senate fiscal cliff bill that was passed in the wee hours of the morning. but a lot of democrats and republicans are kind of holding their noses this morning. >> it does not address the number one priority, creating good middle class jobs now. >> i don't love it, but i think it is a very good job of negotiating where there are some wins and some losses, and it's about even. >> it's not even a small ball, it's a ping pong ball of a proposal. so, i think it's awful. >> let's bring in jonathan clicho, communications director of "american crossroads," also democratic strategist richard goodstein. happy new year, guys. good morning. >> same to you, chris. >> happy new year, chris. >> what do you think of this deal? >> look, having everybody on both sides belly ache about it is going to be the name of the game for a couple reasons. one, we have a divided government. people shouldn't kid themselves when the republicans are controlling the house, democrats control the senate and the white house. this is going to be the new normal, and it has been. we've seen anyth
we expect them to take up that new senate fiscal cliff bill that was passed in the wee hours of the morning. but a lot of democrats and republicans are kind of holding their noses this morning. >> it does not address the number one priority, creating good middle class jobs now. >> i don't love it, but i think it is a very good job of negotiating where there are some wins and some losses, and it's about even. >> it's not even a small ball, it's a ping pong ball of a proposal....
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and though we've now technically gone over the fiscal cliff, the senate is voting on a bipartisan compromise. the agreement which was hammered out by vice president joe biden and republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell would extend tax breaks for people earning less than $400,000 a year or $450,000 for families. it would extend unemployment benefits for a year, and automatic federal spending cuts known as sequester will be delayed for two months and paid for with a combination of tax increases and spending cuts. as you can see, the motion that's taking place on the floor right now, that vote is taking place and we're waiting to hear what the results of that will be. now, in a meeting on monday, vice president biden spent 90 minutes selling the plan for senate democrats and he has said he is optimistic about the results of this and now we are waiting to see if it turns out that he was correct about that. we're joined now on the phone by congressional correspondent mike, who has a lot more insight into exactly what's taking place here. mike, happy new year to you. >> happy new year.
and though we've now technically gone over the fiscal cliff, the senate is voting on a bipartisan compromise. the agreement which was hammered out by vice president joe biden and republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell would extend tax breaks for people earning less than $400,000 a year or $450,000 for families. it would extend unemployment benefits for a year, and automatic federal spending cuts known as sequester will be delayed for two months and paid for with a combination of tax...
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, a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff still seems to be going nowhere. without a deal, tax hikes and massive spending cuts are in effect on january 1st. so here's what senate leader harry reid had to say earlier. >> this morning we've been trying to come up with some counteroffer to my friends' proposal. we've been unable to do that. i've had a number of conversations with the president, and at this stage we're not able to make a counteroffer. >> nbc news deputy political editor dominic a montenaro join us. >> hope is not a plan, and, you know, i think both sides are still far apart. i think they, you know, say they will continue negotiating. you saw the chain cpi now game off the table but a lot of this is posturing. republicans were outraged that harry reid went to the floor today to say that chain cpi is a deal-breaker because they didn't think, you know, that that was the line in the sand for them and they were saying that harry reid is trying to, you know, just play a political -- do a political maneuver here to signal that -- that they are not goin
, a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff still seems to be going nowhere. without a deal, tax hikes and massive spending cuts are in effect on january 1st. so here's what senate leader harry reid had to say earlier. >> this morning we've been trying to come up with some counteroffer to my friends' proposal. we've been unable to do that. i've had a number of conversations with the president, and at this stage we're not able to make a counteroffer. >> nbc news deputy political editor...
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. >> senator, there's a lot of talk about the fiscal cliff shifting to the senate. that's where a solution should be worked on. what have you been heard from your leadership on that? >> well, i think that everyone is going back to the drawing boards. i had hoped that we would be able to take speaker boehner's plan b and work on that with the democrats, and then maybe come to terms before we broke for christmas. to make sure the tax increases that would occur at the end of the year won't -- and something that hasn't talked too much is it would make permanent the child tax credit, the marriage penalty relief, the amt relief, things that middle-class families need to continue. all of that will go you have if we don't do something by the end of the year. >> are you hearing from leadership it will be taken up, something does need to cobble together? >> i know our leader are trying. >>> what about vice president biden, you worked with him for 15 years. he and biden worked very well together in the fiscal negotiations last time. should you bring in biden into the conversat
. >> senator, there's a lot of talk about the fiscal cliff shifting to the senate. that's where a solution should be worked on. what have you been heard from your leadership on that? >> well, i think that everyone is going back to the drawing boards. i had hoped that we would be able to take speaker boehner's plan b and work on that with the democrats, and then maybe come to terms before we broke for christmas. to make sure the tax increases that would occur at the end of the year...
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the fiscal cliff votes. that could be an important vote. >> it will definitely be an important vote. the reason i brought it up is twitter being what it is, representative-elect told them, just got elected, 32-year-old combat veteran what has not taken her seat yet got an endorsement from cal penn to be the person selected to take senator inouye's seat. >> she can be an answer to a trivia question. who is a representative-elect and never served a day in office and became senator. that's incredible. some day. jonathan, thank you so much. we appreciate that. that does it for this edition of andr"andrea mitchell reports." my colleague has a look at what's next on "news nation." what do you have, my friend. it never gets old. we miss you here. >> we miss being in d.c. happy holidays. in a few hours, president obama will be leaving highway high early. he will be heading back to the fiscal cliff gridlock in d.c. house speaker john boehner has not called members back to the house in d.c. yet. just days ago he looke
the fiscal cliff votes. that could be an important vote. >> it will definitely be an important vote. the reason i brought it up is twitter being what it is, representative-elect told them, just got elected, 32-year-old combat veteran what has not taken her seat yet got an endorsement from cal penn to be the person selected to take senator inouye's seat. >> she can be an answer to a trivia question. who is a representative-elect and never served a day in office and became senator....
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. >>> last night on the rachel maddow show, debbie stab nau talked about the looming fiscal cliff. >> i'm not sure what's next. i can tell you, the senate's here, we're in session, we had votes tonight. the president is here. i'm the eternal optimist. we can pass the farm bill that we passed last june. by cutting subsidies for wealthy farmers. so, there's a lot of things that we can do but it's going to take the speaker deciding that he wants to work across the aisle to get it done. >> you can catch the rachel maddow show right here on msbnc on 9:00. >>> retired four-star general norman schwarzkopf died thursday at his home in tampa, florida. he was 78. the hard-charging general, was most famous for leading coalition forces to victory during the first persian gulf war in 1991. under his command it took troops just six weeks to drive saddam hussein's army out of kuwait. gener schwarzkopf is survived by his wife brenda and their three children. >>> former president george h.w. bush are main street in intensive care this morning. while mr. bush's condition is serious, in an e-mail, a spo
. >>> last night on the rachel maddow show, debbie stab nau talked about the looming fiscal cliff. >> i'm not sure what's next. i can tell you, the senate's here, we're in session, we had votes tonight. the president is here. i'm the eternal optimist. we can pass the farm bill that we passed last june. by cutting subsidies for wealthy farmers. so, there's a lot of things that we can do but it's going to take the speaker deciding that he wants to work across the aisle to get it...
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yesterday, senate leader harry reid said he didn't think the fiscal cliff could be avoided. as you can see, stocks plunged. shortly after noon, senator scott brown posted on facebook of all things that he was headed back to washington because the president had reached out to the gop leadership with a proposal. then the markets bounced up a bit. but then cnbc's john harwood tweeted the white house denied skost brown's post and markets dropped again. thanks, john, for that. then came a late day surge on news that speaker boehner called the house back to washington, and late today we learned that the white house is holding a conference call with ceos on the status of the fiscal cliff negotiations. so maybe things will change once more again tomorrow. joining me now to discuss the business ramifications and what the markets think of all this, the editor of thegrio.com and msnbc contributor joy reid. >> hey, richard. >> hi, joy. do we also have fortune magazine's assistant, yes, excellent, managing editor, leigh gallagher. thanks for joining us, too. wall street seems to have bee
yesterday, senate leader harry reid said he didn't think the fiscal cliff could be avoided. as you can see, stocks plunged. shortly after noon, senator scott brown posted on facebook of all things that he was headed back to washington because the president had reached out to the gop leadership with a proposal. then the markets bounced up a bit. but then cnbc's john harwood tweeted the white house denied skost brown's post and markets dropped again. thanks, john, for that. then came a late day...
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the fiscal cliff negotiations. we'll be right back with "hardball." there are patients who will question, why does my mouth feel dryer than i remember it to be? there are more people taking more medication, so we see people suffering from dry mouth more so. we may see more cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. a dry mouth sufferer doesn't have to suffer. i would recommend biotene. the enzymes in biotene products help supplement enzymes that are naturally in saliva. biotene helps moisten those areas that have become dry. will not. e that are suffering can certainly benefit from biotene. >>> the rising political star of 2013, chris hayes, who will that be? >> massachusetts senator elizabeth warren i think. it's not an easy thing to do what she did. i think people -- she was a star on this network and among progressives, but to go win statewide office particularly as a woman in massachusetts, that takes some doing and i think she'll be an absolute force. >> steve, the rising star? >> it mains me a bit to say because i'm not that much of a fan but this i
the fiscal cliff negotiations. we'll be right back with "hardball." there are patients who will question, why does my mouth feel dryer than i remember it to be? there are more people taking more medication, so we see people suffering from dry mouth more so. we may see more cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. a dry mouth sufferer doesn't have to suffer. i would recommend biotene. the enzymes in biotene products help supplement enzymes that are naturally in saliva. biotene helps...
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what happens if that -- are we going off the fiscal cliff? >> well, you know, i don't know. that'll be a decision for the senate. but quite frankly, the senate had in its power for over six months to do what they did at the stroke of midnight last night and that is amend a house bill and send it back to us. i think it's a little unreasonable for senator reid to say that something that they produced on new year's eve produced by a bunch of sleep deprived people is what we should adopt within 40 hours. >> cantor obviously you said is against the bill as it stands. boehner reserved judgment, did not say public opinion. boehner can't go over cantor on this one. he needs cantor to back him up on any final deal, right? >> what they're attempting to craft is something to get to 218 votes which has been an elusive target in this 112th congress. but i sensed that if they came up with something that was responsible and reasonable and laid down the marker on spending that we'll be there with the spooeker. >> going forward, do you think -- how many folks in your conference would support
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. >>> meantime, the fiscal cliff stand-off in washington continues. at this late hour the senate and house of representatives both went into recess, still no deal. republican senate leader mitch mcconnell reached out to vice president joe biden to help reach an agreement. two men who have served as their party's closers, so to speak, on tough deals before. senate majority leader harry reid says he plans to have a plan up for a vote tomorrow morning. although there are serious differences on both sides. >> we're not going to have any social security cuts at this stage, it just doesn't seem appropriate. i still hold out hope we can get something done but i'm not overly optimistic but i am cautiously optimistic. >> republicans pushed back on claims by democrats that the social security benefit measurement, which is known as the chained cpi and basically would reduce the amount of money that senior citizens get under social security, was part of the republican plan. in any case, that is off the table. senator john mccain posted this on twitter, most of us
. >>> meantime, the fiscal cliff stand-off in washington continues. at this late hour the senate and house of representatives both went into recess, still no deal. republican senate leader mitch mcconnell reached out to vice president joe biden to help reach an agreement. two men who have served as their party's closers, so to speak, on tough deals before. senate majority leader harry reid says he plans to have a plan up for a vote tomorrow morning. although there are serious...
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cliff today. are you confident that senators reid and mcconnell can come to a deal? >> no, i'm not confident at all. i know they're going to give it their best shot, and i wish god speed to them. i can tell you that on january 1st in oregon, we will have about 29 to 30,000 folks who will lose unemployment benefits, and they'll lose them right in the middle of their tiers. it isn't as if it's planned or graduated. it's sudden. it's like cutting people off at the knees. and over the coming 30 days in january, we'll lose another 10,000. and that's 40,000 families, not only are they decimated by this, but they're going to be impacted -- the communities will be impacted by the loss of spending from those families. so that's just one little piece of this. there's so many other pieces. it's urgent that these issues be addressed. it's regretful that we're here at this last moment. >> i'm really glad you brought up unemployment benefits. we'll be talking about those a bit later in the show. senator jeff me
cliff today. are you confident that senators reid and mcconnell can come to a deal? >> no, i'm not confident at all. i know they're going to give it their best shot, and i wish god speed to them. i can tell you that on january 1st in oregon, we will have about 29 to 30,000 folks who will lose unemployment benefits, and they'll lose them right in the middle of their tiers. it isn't as if it's planned or graduated. it's sudden. it's like cutting people off at the knees. and over the coming...
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the prospect of reaching a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff before january 1st is very unlikely. that's putting it lightly. let's watch. >> there's 435 members of the house. what goes on in this country shouldn't be decided by the majority. it should be decided by the whole house of representatives. the speaker just has a few days left to change his mind, but i have to be very honest, mr. president, i don't know timewise how it can happen now. >> well, that was plain. this afternoon senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said he wasn't willing to offer the white house a blank check just because we're on the edge of the cliff. take a look. >> last night i told the president we'd be happy to look at whatever he proposes, but the truth is we're coming up against a hard deadline here, and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. and republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> well, actually it's not a blank check the president has been pushing. and this is
the prospect of reaching a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff before january 1st is very unlikely. that's putting it lightly. let's watch. >> there's 435 members of the house. what goes on in this country shouldn't be decided by the majority. it should be decided by the whole house of representatives. the speaker just has a few days left to change his mind, but i have to be very honest, mr. president, i don't know timewise how it can happen now. >> well, that was plain. this afternoon...
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and the president. >> the president is cutting his hawaii vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. >> really, it's kind of like falling down stairs. we have a dysfunctional congress. >> speaker boehner needs to bring his party along. >> it's pretty clear that he could not bring them along. >> john boehner doesn't seem to have full control of his caucus. >> they were this close. >> the republicans will be blamed. >> they were this close to a solution. >> we're going to head over that cliff. >> i know it's hard for the republicans. the minute those leaders move forward, they get viscerated. >> guns shouldn't be available for anyone, any time, anywhere. >> the conversation still wages on. >> its plan to add more guns to schools. >> a completely dumb-ass idea. >> i don't think the nra is listening. >> you can call it whatever you want to call it. >> congress hasn't confirmed the director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. >> dysfunctional, dysfunctional, dysfunctional congress. >> we're not going to allow what has happened in the past to go on. >> congress has just three
and the president. >> the president is cutting his hawaii vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. >> really, it's kind of like falling down stairs. we have a dysfunctional congress. >> speaker boehner needs to bring his party along. >> it's pretty clear that he could not bring them along. >> john boehner doesn't seem to have full control of his caucus. >> they were this close. >> the republicans will be blamed. >> they were this close to a...
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to avoid the fiscal cliff, or as chris hayes and i call it, the fiscal curve. the deadline is soft. it's not like every american is going to be handed a bill on january 1st and there's way to manage the damage if the country goes over. the senate is set to convene this afternoon with the house to follow tonight. there's a chance that a compromise will be reached, less than 48 hours before tax rates revert to their clinton dasher are levels and board across the board spending cuts talk effect. when the president took to the podium friday afternoon to urge the law enforcements to get their act together with he didn't exactly project confidence. >> this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. >> this may be why the president also said that if senate leaders can't produ
to avoid the fiscal cliff, or as chris hayes and i call it, the fiscal curve. the deadline is soft. it's not like every american is going to be handed a bill on january 1st and there's way to manage the damage if the country goes over. the senate is set to convene this afternoon with the house to follow tonight. there's a chance that a compromise will be reached, less than 48 hours before tax rates revert to their clinton dasher are levels and board across the board spending cuts talk effect....
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even though republicans and democrats have agreed on a plan for tax rates as one part of the fiscal cliff negotiations, there will be no vote on such a plan in the house tonight. the lower chamber has adjourned until tomorrow at noon. but over in the senate, lawmakers say they could see a vote on that agreement some time before morning. >> i think there is going to be an attempt to try to bring this to the floor this evening. and so you're probably talking several hours before it would come to the floor. but i think they're going to do that decision. >> senator corker was echoed by senator tom coburn of oklahoma who explained why after weeks of no movement in congress there is a sudden push to get a deal done. here is with cnbc's larry kudlow. >> let me ask you, sir. do you think tonight there will be a senate vote on some kind of deal? >> well, i think there should be very late tonight or early in the a.m., even if this gets enacted in the next couple of days, it's all going to be retroactive to january 1st. but the very point of it is when you have a deal of this nature, you need to get
even though republicans and democrats have agreed on a plan for tax rates as one part of the fiscal cliff negotiations, there will be no vote on such a plan in the house tonight. the lower chamber has adjourned until tomorrow at noon. but over in the senate, lawmakers say they could see a vote on that agreement some time before morning. >> i think there is going to be an attempt to try to bring this to the floor this evening. and so you're probably talking several hours before it would...
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cliff. so if harry reid and mr. mcconnell can't come up with something, then you've got barack obama's proposal. >> joy, even before it gets to the house republicans, there are plenty of republicans in the senate who can mess this up, right? even if mcconnell and reid have a deal, there's no guarantee that there sisn't a single tea party-backed senator. >> well, i mean, at the end of the day, look, mitch mcconnell is a much better leader of his caucus. and mcconnell has really controlled the leaders. the fact that he's meeting with harry reid means there probably isn't going to be a filibuster. i'll find that very surprising. the problem is that never have we seen, not in my lifetime, a weaker speaker of the house of ren zentives than john boehner. john boehner has essentially thrown up his hands and walked away from this process. he's walked away from the constitutional mandate that senate and tax bills come from the house, not the stat. and he's said you guys pass something. they were goin
cliff. so if harry reid and mr. mcconnell can't come up with something, then you've got barack obama's proposal. >> joy, even before it gets to the house republicans, there are plenty of republicans in the senate who can mess this up, right? even if mcconnell and reid have a deal, there's no guarantee that there sisn't a single tea party-backed senator. >> well, i mean, at the end of the day, look, mitch mcconnell is a much better leader of his caucus. and mcconnell has really...
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fiscal cliff. we're going to be talking about the starbucks effort a little later in the show. good morning, ladies and gentlemen. >> good morning. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 27th. i'm mike barnicle in for joe, mika and willie. joining the table, we have political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> hi. >> applause for sam. "fortune's" assistant managing editor, leigh gallagher. and the president of the council on foreign relations, author of "foreign policy begins at home: the case for putting america's house in order." and in washington, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com and msnbc political analyst, richard wolffe. a minor round of applause for richard wolffe. >> one hand clapping. >> first of all, can anybody here come up with a synonym -- i don't care what it is -- so we don't have to employ the phrase "fiscal cliff" at all during the day? any ideas? anybody got any -- >> how about deadline? >> how about do your job. how about
fiscal cliff. we're going to be talking about the starbucks effort a little later in the show. good morning, ladies and gentlemen. >> good morning. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 27th. i'm mike barnicle in for joe, mika and willie. joining the table, we have political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> hi. >> applause for sam. "fortune's" assistant managing editor, leigh gallagher. and the president of the...
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listen, this fiscal cliff deal, everyone is so sick of hearing the phrase. i it talked to several this week, members of congress and members of the senate who indicate we're going over the cliff. they say it won't be that bad. don't worry about it. there's something in me that wonders about the psychological impact of just going right over. >> mike, you're right. they are saying that, and there's a real risk especially in the white house. they know that the reaction of the markets, especially overseas, the credit raters is unpredictable. you don't want to start your second term with a double-dip recession. that's the real risk here. for republicans more and more you hear them saying and i think this is what you're refer to here. you hear them saying, let's just wait until people get their first paycheck. wait until they get that pay economic when there's less withheld and there's not a payroll tax holiday but then they want tax relief. it's a huge risk. another political game at play here. sherman has a great story on the sight right there giving the thought
listen, this fiscal cliff deal, everyone is so sick of hearing the phrase. i it talked to several this week, members of congress and members of the senate who indicate we're going over the cliff. they say it won't be that bad. don't worry about it. there's something in me that wonders about the psychological impact of just going right over. >> mike, you're right. they are saying that, and there's a real risk especially in the white house. they know that the reaction of the markets,...